[ardour-users] MTC & MMC ...

Third Option thirdoption at hotmail.com
Mon Sep 20 18:05:34 PDT 2004

This is my main goal in life

Yes you can do it but it ain't perfect yet.

Paul tells me that slaving Ardour to MTC works since beta17 - not perfectly,
but it does it.  Another cat on here says he's been able to do that.  I
haven't tested it since beta16 so I will be in a couple weeks (busy - sorry!
:) )

the way I'm syncing my sequencer setup now is a bit of a mcgiver hack, but
it's working.

My main sequencer is Cakewalk for DOS on another computer.  It syncs
flawlessly to MTC.  now since I haven't been able to send MTC from ardour
yet, what I've been doing is using my Darwin (which does send MTC and works
with cakewalk nicely) and ecasound - like so:

1) connect Darwin MIDI out to cakewalk
2) put cakewalk in MTC receive mode
3) open ecasound, no chainsetup, MMC mode on, jack transport master (ask and
I'll hunt down the command - I can't remember it offhand)
4) open ardour, put it in jack sync mode (so that it will respond to jack
5) now whenever I type "start" in ecasound, ardour, darwin and cakewalk all
start at the same time

a note on this.  this is not the best method of sync.  in fact, in the days
of analog tape, you couldn't do this really.  the reason is although
everything's started at the same time, not everything necessarily runs at
the same speed (except darwin and cakewalk, in this scenario) - this is ok
if they all stay the same within themselves, but of course tape doesn't.
digital stuff does for the most part.    but here's an example where this
free floating kind of jam sync thing doesn't work:  if I get an xrun at all
in Ardour, even if that doesn't actually mess something up in ardour (say
i'm just playing back for mixdown), it messes all the sync up, because the
other machines don't cachunk at that same spot.  of course xruns will mess
ya up anyway, and I'm wondering just what it'll be like when ardour xruns
when running in MTC sync -

but anyway - that's my hack for doing it.  like I said, somebody else on
this list has been successful with MTC.  I'll get back to the list when I
test it for myself (I had given up on MTC until version 1, but was surprised
by this new report of this guy having used it)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Knecht" <markknecht at gmail.com>
To: "Ardour-Users" <ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [ardour-users] MTC & MMC ...

> >
> > Olah Senor Mark! :)
> >
> > I can get Rosegarden and Ardour synced thru Jack but that's not what I
> I understood that, but it was something to talk about when I wrote
> back. Ihave a lot of problems with RG also, but to be fair it has many
> things that Pro Tools doesn't so that's impressive too.
> > Rosegarden is getting better but it's SUCH a PAIN to import a midi,
> > each and every channel each and everytime you load a new file...If they
> > just make a template so you could load say GM2 files that would allocate
> > their correct instruments, etc on the same midi device...Puhleeeze! I'm
> > begging the Rosegarden peeple's.....Pluuuh...Leeeeeeeeze!!! {It's
horrific to
> > see a grown mmn beg really ain't it? }
> Yep, but it happens. I was there a year ago. Drinking makes the
> embarrasment more tolerable... ;-)
> > >
> > > As for your Sonar soft synth, are they VST? I'm impressed that I got
> > > the full version of Battery running tonight under jack_fst. I've got a
> > > couple of reverbs working, so there is some life there if you have the
> > > stomach to go through getting that working on your end. On my side I'm
> > > running about 8:1 don't work:do work, so I'm batting about .125 or so.
> > > Not so good.
> >
> > In point of fact, Sonar is using DXi's but...I have jack_fst working on
> > machine...(After much hair loss, sleepless nights, deserting wife, dog
> > kids, flatulence, etc...) {Not reeelly flatulence but it seemed to fit
> > some reason! } and I have the vst version of the softsynth too...so, I
> > have that working on my linux box...but that leads me back to bloody
> > Rosegarden! I would use RG in a New York minute but for the pain of
> > up each and every file from scratch.
> True.
> >Muse would be good but the last release
> > is so buggy, I don't trust it at all right now.  I know the guys for
Muse are
> > working on it but it's not ready for me right now...
> >
> > I want Sooooooooo badly to migrate completely to Linux for all this
stuff, but
> > the sequencer stuff is still too glitchy and labor intensive.
> MIDI will start coming for Ardour, probably sometime reasonably soon
> after the 1.0 release. I'm pretty sure it's planned for 2.0. Stick
> around and influence the way it works. As for my MIDI use I do pretty
> much all my MIDI from scratch except with I'm playing around. I'm slow
> and it all takes time so setting it up on any program is not usually
> my problem. Actually getting it recorded or written is where I spend
> my time...
> > >
> > > I'll follow this thread and try out whatever gets suggested between
> > > Ardour and Pro Tools to see how it works.
> > >
> > > - Mark
> >
> > Just a side not on Ardour though...although I've been using it forever
as a
> > simple mixer interface for live fx, recently I've been cutting tracks
for my
> > own demo. It is working really well and it's flexibilty, along with
> > and the LADSPA plugs is outstanding!
> Don't get me wrong. I'd be interested in using Pro Tools for MIDI with
> Ardour for audio, if it was easy to sync the two. There are features
> for doing this in Pro Tools. I've jsut never tried them. Time to do
> so. I'd place most of the VST's in jack_vst and things would be
> interesting.
> Take care,
> Mark
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