[Ardour-Users] a few thoughts

Thomas Vecchione seablaede at gmail.com
Tue Dec 4 07:45:06 PST 2012

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Adriano Petrosillo
<ampetrosillo at gmail.com>wrote:

> It is still potentially "limiting", it's more of a theorical aspect rather
> than a practical one: you still have to conform to Harrison's idea of a
> console. What if I wanted 16 mix busses (I know, 8 is overkill already, you
> can do most things with 4 busses, but why deny me the opportunity)? Plus, I
> said I like the integrated approach, and I think it's great to have
> integrated processors and FX to start from, but my pledge was for more
> customisability, what if I wanted to make my own templates, using PSP's
> VintageWarmer2 as a saturator instead of Harrison's DSP, for example? I
> think this is an area where the potential openness of a project like Ardour
> can chime in (although I can't wait for Mixbus to be ported to Ardour 3...)
Harrison Mixbus has 8 Mixbusses, but you can have any number of standard
busses just like you can in Ardour.  The primary differences are that they
use the smae DSP as the tracks, not the mixbusses(So no tape sat, a more
defined EQ, etc.) and that there is no latency compensation just like in

Really it sounds like you haven't done enough research to be stating what
you are stating.

> Tough, it still equates to forcing "another person's rapid workflow" on
> the user, it's good as a starting point, I repeat (because it's very nice
> to have something you can run and start mixing straight away with an
> intuitive and powerful interface without having to mess with plugins and
> having lots and lots of cumbersome plugin windows just to tweak a comp
> ratio on one track while boosting mids on another and adjusting sends on
> yet another), and I'm actually a prospective buyer of Mixbus, but it still
> means having to conform to someone else's way of working. Acceptable (and
> unavoidable) on hardware mixers, and also on DAWs up to a certain extent,
> but one of the advantages of digital is actually not having THIS kind of
> limitations. One thing is "standard number of mix busses at boot-up",
> another is "up to 8 mix busses", it smells of "Lite Edition" software.

You have officially missed the point of Mixbus then, as Paul alluded to.
The point is to allow an engineer to move faster and get a good sounding
mix faster, and it does this in part by 'limiting' your choices so you
don't have to worry about things.  Of course by 'limiting' it really
doesn't as you can put in any EQ or plugin you want just like any other DAW.

> You said that all I want is just a bit more "chrome"... well, even if I
> DID want more chrome, what's really wrong with it? And I personally don't
> even WANT chrome, but many people I told about Ardour thought that "it
> looked cheap" or "unrefined" or whatever compared to the other brand-name
> DAWs they used. That's even BEFORE trying it. Like it or not, many people
> give lots of importance to first impressions and hype, and if you want
> Ardour to compete with other DAWs (and please don't say you don't want to
> compete, because in the end you do compete, whether you decide to or not...
> and I don't really think it's necessarily a bad thing), you have to also
> appeal to those people who give looks a big deal of importance, who may
> also be big-name professionals, musicians, artists, etc. I have argued lots
> of times with Apple fanatics who deride Linux or Windows for even marginal
> details, such as look and feel (or sometimes for things that weren't
> actually even true), most of them are pathetically ignorant of even basic
> technical details, but some of these people are accomplished graphic
> designers, or musicians, or whatever. Idiots :D but talented idiots they
> are.
Try to be all things to all people you WILL fail.  You will never make
everyone happy.  The companies that realize this are the ones that do
better quicker.

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