[ardour-users] feature idea: draggable measure lines
bennyp at rogers.com
Thu Apr 6 13:51:38 PDT 2006
I was working on a similar track awhile back.. an improvised jam held
in the park in Kensington Market, which I was adding hydrogen drums
to. Unfortunately I lost the original, so that project died... but
you can hear what it sounded like on my site
On 6-Apr-06, at 11:16 AM, Paul Winkler wrote:
> Just wondering if this would be useful to anybody else...
> I sometimes record live musicians without a click track and then
> want to
> line up the bars and beats with what they actually played.
> Sort of the opposite of time-stretching the music to match the grid.
> I want to stretch the grid to match the music!
> This way I'd get easy snap-to-bar editing, and the ability to drive
> jack-transport-aware apps with a real "human" feel. I can also
> retroactively add a click track - which I've already found really
> when attempting to overdub to a particularly difficult drum track
> syncopated, weird meter).
> I can do this today, but holy cow it is tedious. Turn on the click
> track, add a tempo marker at the beginning of the first bar,
> the tempo of that bar, see how long you can play before it's out of
> sync, adjust the tempo until it's exactly right for the first bar (or,
> with luck, two bars); then move on to the next bar, add another tempo
> marker, rinse and repeat.
> I end up with tempo markers at the beginning of almost every single
> with slightly different tempos... 119.5, 119, 118, 119, 119.5, 121,
> 119,... and no you can't just take an average, the click will audibly
> go in and out of sync.
> Yesterday I spent almost an hour doing this for under two minutes of
> music. I know my drummer's not a pro, but hey, I did this with a Led
> Zeppelin track once to figure out what the heck they were playing, and
> the tempo was all over the place. Humans are like that. Sometimes it
> sounds better that way.
> It would go much, much faster if there were a way (new mouse mode?) to
> adjust the tempo of a bar by dragging. I think the way this would
> would be: You select one (or more, via shift-select) tempo markers,
> then drag left or right. The result is that the tempo of the two
> *before* and *after* the selection are scaled automatically to fit.
> (Sanity restriction: you cannot drag farther than one bar in either
> Anybody else tried working like this? Any thoughts on the idea?
> Paul Winkler
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