[ardour-users] Re: ardour-users-ardour.org Digest, Vol 20, Issue 7

Fri Sep 9 14:04:39 PDT 2005

Am I the only one that really thinks "why can't you have your cake and eat 
it too?", Why not do this.

Being a LONG TIME web developer I suggest Aurour opens a forum located at 
http://forum.ardour.org/ using SMFF, IPB, vBulletin or whatever and then 
gets a Mailing list plugin, (provided that it exists)

Think of it this way, you could have your form account and every time a post 
is made on a specific board "The Recording Room" for example, then daily the 
new topics + posts get emailed eh?

I'm not quite sure if this type of integration has already been established 
with forums, but I personally think it'd be a great way for archiving and 
giving everyone what they want.

Good Idea?

Regards,

~ Loren

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> 1. Re:Ardour needs a forum (Cathbard)
> 2. Re: Ardour needs a forum (Bj?rn Elenfors)
> 3. Re: Ardour needs a forum (Nathan Long)
> 4. Re: Ardour needs a forum (Esben Stien)
> 5. Re: Ardour needs a forum (Mark Knecht)
> 6. Re: Ardour needs a forum (Esben Stien)
> 7. Re: Ardour needs a forum (Jesse Chappell)
> 8. Re: Ardour needs a forum (Mark Knecht)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 23:10:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Cathbard <maillist at roomity.com>
> Subject: Re:[ardour-users] Ardour needs a forum
> To: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
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> My post seems to have stirred up quite a hornets nest.
> Personally I can see no advantage in mailing lists over forums but many 
> advantages in the reverse.
> Mail lists are great when they are small and cover only a few topics. They 
> are the perfect tool for developers. Once something has come of age like 
> Ardour (specially with so many diverse topics) a forum is the way to go.
> I have found a better sense of community on forums because people are more 
> likely to make a post. The distro forums that I use generate a lot of 
> community spirit. I can't see how the "loss of commuity" argument is valid.
> As was mentioned earlier, some people get 300 posts from other mailing 
> lists already. My mail box is full enough I don't need more stuff to wade 
> through. I do not use pop mail and will not store emails on my hdd as a 
> matter of policy. Why use my own hardware when there is a perfectly good 
> website to use?
> Forums are just simpler and more organised. It's the modern way to do 
> things, doesn't Ardour deserve the best?
> 
> (PS: I am making this post using roomity.com <http://roomity.com> in an 
> attempt to eliminate the traffic on my email. It's my first attempt using it 
> for this. *crosses fingers*)
> 
> 
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> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:20:00 +0200
> From: Bj?rn Elenfors <bjoele at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Ardour needs a forum
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> On 9/9/05, Cathbard <maillist at roomity.com> wrote:
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> > My post seems to have stirred up quite a hornets nest.
> 
> 
> 
> E-mail vs forums is a matter of taste, not objective reasoning.
> 
> Personally i like the lists as they get to me "automatically" in a way 
> that
> forums never will. Most mails are just browsed before I archive them but 
> it
> gives me a hint of what's going on. If this was a forum I'd just check it
> when I had a specific question and thus would miss many of the hints that
> come this way. Forums in my opinion require users to be more active and 
> that
> would mean that lazy people like me would be lost.
> 
> E-mail storage and retrieval is also just a technical issue that is
> solvable. Myself I use gmail that is nowhere near to be filled by the
> ardour-related traffic. If I want to find mails that is older than my
> membership, it's easy to search the archives as well.
> 
> /Björn
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> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:19:10 +1000
> From: Nathan Long <nathan at signsofjapan.com>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Ardour needs a forum
> To: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
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> On Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:20:00 +0200
> Björn Elenfors <bjoele at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > On 9/9/05, Cathbard <maillist at roomity.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > My post seems to have stirred up quite a hornets nest.
> >
> > E-mail vs forums is a matter of taste, not objective reasoning.
> 
> I disagree.
> 
> > Personally i like the lists as they get to me "automatically" in a
> > way that forums never will.
> 
> Forums can send you automatic emails too.
> 
> > Most mails are just browsed before I
> > archive them but it gives me a hint of what's going on. If this was a
> > forum I'd just check it when I had a specific question and thus would
> > miss many of the hints that come this way. Forums in my opinion
> > require users to be more active and that would mean that lazy people
> > like me would be lost.
> 
> There is a button on many forums that will give you a rundown of the
> latest threads that you have not looked at yet. That way you can
> easily keep up to date. Think of it as a "lazy person's" button.
> 
> Or just get everything automatically emailed to you anyway.
> 
> Why doesn't someone just start a forum somewhere, and if it takes off,
> it takes off. The people who want to join it will make it as good as
> they can, the people who want the list can still use it.
> 
> Nathan.
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:06:36 +0200
> From: Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Ardour needs a forum
> To: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID: <87slwe6rpv.fsf at quasar.esben-stien.name>
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> Nathan Long <nathan at signsofjapan.com> writes:
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> > Forums can send you automatic emails too.
> 
> I'm sorry, don't mean to be rude, but that's horrible;).
> 
> > Why doesn't someone just start a forum somewhere
> 
> Someone already did: http://www.chowhouse.com/ardour/
> 
> You won't find me there, though, but I still hope this will be made
> transparent to the lad list so that we don't split up our community.
> 
> --
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:16:39 -0700
> From: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Ardour needs a forum
> To: Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name>
> Cc: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b05090909164fc14859 at mail.gmail.com>
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> On 9/9/05, Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name> wrote:
> > Nathan Long <nathan at signsofjapan.com> writes:
> >
> > > Forums can send you automatic emails too.
> >
> > I'm sorry, don't mean to be rude, but that's horrible;).
> 
> I sort of agree, but then again email lists send us emails so why
> should a message from the forum be any worse.
> 
> As I see this it's all in the eye of the beholder. Let the forum get
> started, either at Ardour.org <http://Ardour.org> or somewhere else. If it 
> gains traction,
> gets used and has significant content and value then that's great. If
> it doesn't then it won't matter much. Those who want it will use it.
> Those who don't will get emails, some of which will tell us 'That was
> discussed in the forum'! (If indeed it was....) ;-)
> 
> Live and let live...
> 
> >
> > > Why doesn't someone just start a forum somewhere
> >
> > Someone already did: http://www.chowhouse.com/ardour/
> 
> This one clearly hasn't gained traction yet.
> 
> >
> > You won't find me there, though, but I still hope this will be made
> > transparent to the lad list so that we don't split up our community.
> 
> Some smart forum guy could probably figure out how to take the
> ardours-user list, parse out the text and enter it in the forum as a
> thread. Now that would make the forum more useful to me since I'd go
> there to search out old conversations as opposed to depending on
> Google.
> 
> Just a thought...
> 
> - Mark
> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 21:26:33 +0200
> From: Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Ardour needs a forum
> To: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID: <87oe726o0m.fsf at quasar.esben-stien.name>
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> Esben Stien <b0ef at esben-stien.name> writes:
> 
> > I also want to join a recording techniques mailinglist;).
> 
> Well, no need for that since we got rec.audio.pro <http://rec.audio.pro>
> 
> --
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:27:34 -0400
> From: Jesse Chappell <jesse at essej.net>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Ardour needs a forum
> To: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID: <d41649057b3dd3d80920e460061e8dce at essej.net>
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> Mark Knecht wrote on Fri, 09-Sep-2005:
> 
> > As I see this it's all in the eye of the beholder. Let the forum get
> > started, either at Ardour.org <http://Ardour.org> or somewhere else. If 
> it gains traction,
> > gets used and has significant content and value then that's great. If
> > it doesn't then it won't matter much. Those who want it will use it.
> > Those who don't will get emails, some of which will tell us 'That was
> > discussed in the forum'! (If indeed it was....) ;-)
> 
> The one problem is that there are still too few people who
> *really* know ardour well enough to stop any potential misinformation or
> inaccuracies. Hopefully at least one of those people will monitor
> the forums to save everyone else some trouble....
> 
> jlc
> 
> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:35:55 -0700
> From: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Ardour needs a forum
> To: Jesse Chappell <jesse at essej.net>
> Cc: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b05090910355c9e0840 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> On 9/9/05, Jesse Chappell <jesse at essej.net> wrote:
> > Mark Knecht wrote on Fri, 09-Sep-2005:
> >
> > > As I see this it's all in the eye of the beholder. Let the forum get
> > > started, either at Ardour.org <http://Ardour.org> or somewhere else. 
> If it gains traction,
> > > gets used and has significant content and value then that's great. If
> > > it doesn't then it won't matter much. Those who want it will use it.
> > > Those who don't will get emails, some of which will tell us 'That was
> > > discussed in the forum'! (If indeed it was....) ;-)
> >
> > The one problem is that there are still too few people who
> > *really* know ardour well enough to stop any potential misinformation or
> > inaccuracies. Hopefully at least one of those people will monitor
> > the forums to save everyone else some trouble....
> >
> > jlc
> 
> That would be you, right? ;-)
> 
> Whether in a forum or on this list good information is key. One hopes
> that over time the community does a good enough job of policing itself
> interms of content, but again, that's part of a forum gaining traction
> I think.
> 
> When Jan gets back on-line I nominate him as official forum policeman!
> Do I here a second? ;-)
> 
> - Mark
> 
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