[ardour-users] Linux vs. other stuff

[matt at tinysongs.com]

The crashing protools systems in the Electronic Music studio were Macintosh
computers running OSX and Pro Tools LE.  Very messy.

I have a Mac G4 tower but I don't run Pro tools on it because I don't like the
idea of proprietary hardware.  I've got DP with a 2408 in that machine, though
I need to upgrade the OS to get JackOSX running and haven't gotten around to
it.  Mainly this has become my wife's itunes machine now.

I have a Linux tower that is much more stable and flexible.  If you consider
what is available from LADSAP, there is no comparison to any other commercial
software.

My mobile rig is a Mac G4 Powerbook, on which I am running the Gentoo OSX
metadistribution and Ardour is rock solid on that machine.  I've got quite a
few LADSPA plugins running fine and the version of ardour I am running has VST
capability.  I an using an Event EZBus for I/O currently, but a Digiface is
definitely the way to go I think.  Then you can have your rack of Mic Pres that
can go with you when you need them, or you can take something like the Presonous
DIGITube when you only need one Mic.

I am sure that you can get out of a DIGIface and one of those focusrite ADAT 8
channel mic pres and a cheap control surface will far surpass what the DIGI 002
has to offer.  Also I think you can get a bunch of channels at 24/96 with the
DIGIface and a RME mic pre.

$.02


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>    1. Linux vs. other stuff (matt at tinysongs.com)
>    2. Re: Linux vs. other stuff (Brett McCoy)
>    3. Re: Linux vs. other stuff (Mark Knecht)
>    4. Re: Linux vs. other stuff (Brett McCoy)
>    5. Re: export cd markers only file (Peter Lutek)
>    6. Re: Linux vs. other stuff (ross at lug.udel.edu)
>    7. Re: Linux vs. other stuff (hanaghan at starband.net)
>    8. Re: Linux vs. other stuff (Mark Knecht)
>    9. Re: Linux vs. other stuff (matt at tinysongs.com)
>   10. Re: Linux vs. other stuff  (Kevin Cosgrove)
>   11. Re: Linux vs. other stuff (Mark Knecht)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:28:40 -0800
> From: matt at tinysongs.com
> Subject: [ardour-users] Linux vs. other stuff
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>
> Just a fun FYI-
>
> I was in amy master's advanced electronic music class the other day and all
> the
> pro tools rigs were crashing like mad while my ardour machine was rock solid.
>
> People talk about how open source apps are unstable, but relly I think they
> are
> just as stable as commercial apps once you start pushing the limits.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:44:43 -0500
> From: Brett McCoy <idragosani at chapelperilous.net>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Linux vs. other stuff
> To: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID: <424C370B.2090200 at chapelperilous.net>
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> matt at tinysongs.com wrote:
>
> > Just a fun FYI-
> >
> > I was in amy master's advanced electronic music class the other day and all
> the
> > pro tools rigs were crashing like mad while my ardour machine was rock
> solid.
>
> Cool!
>
> > People talk about how open source apps are unstable, but relly I think they
> are
> > just as stable as commercial apps once you start pushing the limits.
>
> I've never used a piece of software, commercial on non-commercial, that
> didn't crash from time to time.  Except maybe sendmail. :-)
>
> -- Brett
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:52:06 -0800
> From: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Linux vs. other stuff
> To: "matt at tinysongs.com" <matt at tinysongs.com>
> Cc: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b05033109524c76db16 at mail.gmail.com>
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> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:28:40 -0800, matt at tinysongs.com
> <matt at tinysongs.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Just a fun FYI-
> >
> > I was in amy master's advanced electronic music class the other day and all
> the
> > pro tools rigs were crashing like mad while my ardour machine was rock
> solid.
> >
> > People talk about how open source apps are unstable, but relly I think they
> are
> > just as stable as commercial apps once you start pushing the limits.
>
> I'm a Pro Tools user. It's terrible. Just as soon as it gets stable
> some M$ update comes along that kills it. Add or delete a plugin, it
> kills it. Edit too much MIDI data, I killed it. Switching an audio
> drive on after starting PT. It kills it.
>
> I'm what Ron calls a 'Pro Fool'. ;-)
>
> If there was really timely support for new, higher-end hardware under
> Linux then I'd be ready to jump. Unfortunately the hardware choices
> are very limited. Hooray for what we got from RME when RME was
> supporting us. My HDSP 9652 is finally a pretty stable solution.
>
> - Mark
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:54:29 -0500
> From: Brett McCoy <idragosani at chapelperilous.net>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Linux vs. other stuff
> To: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID: <424C3955.1030502 at chapelperilous.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>
> > I'm a Pro Tools user. It's terrible. Just as soon as it gets stable
> > some M$ update comes along that kills it. Add or delete a plugin, it
> > kills it. Edit too much MIDI data, I killed it. Switching an audio
> > drive on after starting PT. It kills it.
> >
> > I'm what Ron calls a 'Pro Fool'. ;-)
>
> I hear Poor Tools (as some Nuendo users I know call it) is more stable
> on the Mac than under Winders.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:02:54 -0500
> From: "Peter Lutek" <plutek at infinity.net>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] export cd markers only file
> To: ardour-users at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID: <opsoike41hllb68s at palnote.palstudio>
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> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 16:10:35 +0100, David Mulcahy <eseol at tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello all
> >
> > Does anyone know if the "export cd markers file only" button works and
> > if so
> > how?  I cant seem to get it to output anything.
> >
>
> in the "locations" window, do you have the "CD" button engaged for the
> markers which are your track markers?
> took me a while to figure that one out...... doh!
>
> -p
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:59:49 -0500
> From: ross at lug.udel.edu
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Linux vs. other stuff
> To: Brett McCoy <idragosani at chapelperilous.net>
> Cc: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID: <20050331175949.GA14319 at jose.lug.udel.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> On Thu, Mar 31, 2005 at 12:44:43PM -0500, Brett McCoy wrote:
> > I've never used a piece of software, commercial on non-commercial, that
> > didn't crash from time to time.  Except maybe sendmail. :-)
>
> True that - I ran sendmail at an old employer's for six years.  After
> I left, there's probably no one maintaining the machines, and I'll bet
> they're still running like champs.
>
> We use postfix at my new job and it's mostly crummy.  But
> this is hardly the place for MTA flamewars ::-)
>
>
> --
> Ross Vandegrift
> ross at lug.udel.edu
>
> "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who
> make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians
> have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine
> man in the bonds of Hell."
> 	--St. Augustine, De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II, xviii, 37
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 13:01:01 -0500 (EST)
> From: <hanaghan at starband.net>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Linux vs. other stuff
> To: <matt at tinysongs.com>
> Cc: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID:
> 	<45621.209.244.5.93.1112292061.squirrel at hercules.email.starband.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> >
> >
> > Just a fun FYI-
> >
> > I was in amy master's advanced electronic music class the other day and
> > all the pro tools rigs were crashing like mad while my ardour machine
> > was rock solid.
> >
> > People talk about how open source apps are unstable, but relly I think
> > they are just as stable as commercial apps once you start pushing the
> > limits. _______________________________________________
>
> Sonar user and some Cubase...Since Sonar XL, at least in my experience
> have been pretty solid but then you are also at the mercy of MS and its
> OS. As Paul puts "You own a car...an expensive car, and your not allowed
> to tweak whats under the hood (welded shut paraphrase)...Sonar I think is
> retailing for close to a grand now for Producer edition!
>
> All in all, and mind, no real serious projects under Ardour and Muse /
> RoseGarden, I dont find they crash any more or any less. Just more bugs
> that are being worked by the dev teams.
> > ardour-users-ardour.org mailing list
> > ardour-users at lists.ardour.org
> > http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:02:33 -0800
> From: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Linux vs. other stuff
> To: Brett McCoy <idragosani at chapelperilous.net>
> Cc: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b050331100252f0f2df at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 12:54:29 -0500, Brett McCoy
> <idragosani at chapelperilous.net> wrote:
> > Mark Knecht wrote:
> >
> > > I'm a Pro Tools user. It's terrible. Just as soon as it gets stable
> > > some M$ update comes along that kills it. Add or delete a plugin, it
> > > kills it. Edit too much MIDI data, I killed it. Switching an audio
> > > drive on after starting PT. It kills it.
> > >
> > > I'm what Ron calls a 'Pro Fool'. ;-)
> >
> > I hear Poor Tools (as some Nuendo users I know call it) is more stable
> > on the Mac than under Winders.
>
> I think that's probably true. Unfortunately the Mac platform has
> always been far too expensive, and while the main app is more stable
> the ability of the Mac platform to run plugins if far poorer, so it's
> a bit trade off.
>
> PC - PTLE - unstable, but I get reverb and other goodies
> Mac - PTLE - stable, but not as many plugins
>
> I'm looking at a Mac Mini right now as I'm so fed up with Windows.
> Either that or dump PT completely and go with Ardour and reduced
> hardware choices. I think Ardour will do audio better than PTLE in the
> near future. However without MIDI and without access to better high
> -end hardware (ala the better 1394 devices, etc.) it's a hard choice.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:03:31 -0800
> From: matt at tinysongs.com
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Linux vs. other stuff
> To: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
> Cc: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID: <1112292211.424c3b7353074 at www.tinysongs.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Terein likes the caveot.
>
> I think the trick is to use the hamerfall and then drop any other commercial
> front end onto your system and interface via the unit's adat, though it would
> be nice to have a 96IO for Ardour.  Of cours, I'm not inlove with an
> digidesing
> preamp anyway, so it seems like less of a sacrifice for me.
>
> Quoting Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>:
>
> > On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 09:28:40 -0800, matt at tinysongs.com
> > <matt at tinysongs.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Just a fun FYI-
> > >
> > > I was in amy master's advanced electronic music class the other day and
> all
> > the
> > > pro tools rigs were crashing like mad while my ardour machine was rock
> > solid.
> > >
> > > People talk about how open source apps are unstable, but relly I think
> they
> > are
> > > just as stable as commercial apps once you start pushing the limits.
> >
> > I'm a Pro Tools user. It's terrible. Just as soon as it gets stable
> > some M$ update comes along that kills it. Add or delete a plugin, it
> > kills it. Edit too much MIDI data, I killed it. Switching an audio
> > drive on after starting PT. It kills it.
> >
> > I'm what Ron calls a 'Pro Fool'. ;-)
> >
> > If there was really timely support for new, higher-end hardware under
> > Linux then I'd be ready to jump. Unfortunately the hardware choices
> > are very limited. Hooray for what we got from RME when RME was
> > supporting us. My HDSP 9652 is finally a pretty stable solution.
> >
> > - Mark
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:09:10 -0800
> From: Kevin Cosgrove <kevinc at doink.com>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Linux vs. other stuff
> To: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID: <20050331180910.121F64051 at joseph.doink.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
> On 31 March 2005 at 9:52, Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm a Pro Tools user. It's terrible. Just as soon as it gets stable
> > some M$ update comes along that kills it. Add or delete a plugin, it
> > kills it. Edit too much MIDI data, I killed it. Switching an audio
> > drive on after starting PT. It kills it.
>
> How about on a Mac?
>
>
> --
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:23:24 -0800
> From: Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ardour-users] Linux vs. other stuff
> To: Kevin Cosgrove <kevinc at doink.com>
> Cc: ardour-users-ardour.org at lists.ardour.org
> Message-ID: <5bdc1c8b0503311023496dbd21 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:09:10 -0800, Kevin Cosgrove <kevinc at doink.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 31 March 2005 at 9:52, Mark Knecht <markknecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm a Pro Tools user. It's terrible. Just as soon as it gets stable
> > > some M$ update comes along that kills it. Add or delete a plugin, it
> > > kills it. Edit too much MIDI data, I killed it. Switching an audio
> > > drive on after starting PT. It kills it.
> >
> > How about on a Mac?
>
> I wouldn't know actually. Never used one although I am considering the
> purchase. OS X is Free BSD based so I'd be maybe 75% of the way there
> with system administration. In the end I have the same problem I have
> with the 002 though. It's 1394 based so if PT is not stable on the Mac
> then the machine is of no value to me.
>
> Possibly a DigiFace with the cardbus interface is a good solution but
> I don't know of anyone specifically running that combo under Linux and
> using Ardour. Are any of you guys out there usign that?
>
> I'd want the DigiFace vs. MultiFace since I have an HDSP 9652 in my
> desktop Ardour machine and would link the two with a bunch of ADAT
> cables.
>
> - Mark
>
>
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