[Ardour-Dev] Ardour conversation on CEC

[Max Stein]

Hello,

Ardour has been brought up as a topic of discussion on the Canadian
Electroacoustic Community listserv. There have been two comments about
difficulties in working with automation (copying/pasting). The entire
conversation can be read below.

Best,
Max

Forwarded conversation
Subject: Ardour
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From: *Hinkle-Turner, Elizabeth* <ehinkle at unt.edu>
Date: Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 3:44 PM
To: "cec-conference at concordia.ca" <cec-conference at concordia.ca>


 Has anyone out there used Ardour (in my case for Mac OS X Tiger or
Leopard)?  What think you of it? (esp. when compared to Pro Tools or Logic )



Thank you!



Elizabeth H-T



*Dr. Elizabeth Hinkle-Turner*

*Asst. Director - Academic Computing and User Services*

*The University of North Texas*

*ehinkle at unt.edu*

*940-565-4808   / 940-453-6938*



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From: *Magnus Alexanderson* <magnus.alexanderson at telia.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:22 PM
To: cec-conference at concordia.ca



Hi.

If I remember correctly, Kim Cascone and a few others has tried it and said
good things about it. Some prefered it compared to Pro Tools. So perhaps
worth checking...

best,

Magnus Alexanderson (composer/improviser) in Sweden


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From: *Michal Seta* <mis at artengine.ca>
Date: Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:35 AM
To: cec-conference at concordia.ca


Ardour has matured a lot in the past 3 years or so.  I have not tried
it on MaxOSX, my understanding is that setup requires a little bit of
getting used to (you need JACK Audio Connection Kit) and it probably
does not support your Wave plugins. It does come with a handful (a
little over 100) of LADSPA plugins and you should be able to use your
AudioUnit plugins (I have no clue, off the top of my head, what about
VST plugins on that platform).  MIDI is coming with version 3.

In terms of multitracking functionality it certainly offers as much as
the tools you mention.  I do not know Logic but a couple of things
come to mind in comparison with ProTools:  you can use it with ANY
audio hardware and you have no limit on number of plugins, busses or
tracks.  That also means that you can mix for as many channels as you
wish (whether they are physically available or not!).  There are
certainly other advantages, Ardour website covers features in more
depth.  Ardour's documentation is probably not as well polished and
complete as ProTools or other similar software.  Oh, and if you do try
Ardour, get a 3-button mouse because Ardour takes advantage of all 3
buttons in combination with various keyboard shortcuts.

Hope that helps

./MiS

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From: *peiman khosravi* <peimankhosravi at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:55 AM
To: cec-conference at concordia.ca


Some issues with ardour. Editing the automation is not very easy
(particularly copy and paste). Grouping tracks does not include the
automation editing wich is a nighmare as there is no easy way to copy
an automation from one track and paste it exactly on the same time
spot on another track. So ot os particularly difficult to deal with
multiple mono files.

If it was not for this problem I would use it.

It seems that ardour is not so good when it comes to editing but for
recording and general mixing it is fine.

Best
Peiman

2009/3/31 Michal Seta <mis at artengine.ca>:

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From: *Ivo Tobin Lippold* <it at goodnightnobody.ca>
Date: Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:36 PM
To: cec-conference at concordia.ca


I second this. In every aspect but this one Ardour seems as capable as
either ProTools or Logic, and has the distinct advantage of being free.
Perhaps if enough people were to post to the Ardour forums complaining, they
would work to fix this issue? It is a serious problem for electroacoustic
composition, given the degree to which we often rely on automation.
 I Tobin
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