From alf at mellomrommet.no Tue May 4 04:12:44 2021 From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Pietruszka Lund) Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 13:12:44 +0200 Subject: [Ardour-Users] Alternative income source? Message-ID: I am a happy subscriber of Ardour, but I'm not that happy a user of PayPal. Recently I supported another piece of software I'm using (a great backup software called Duplicati) through Open Collective [1] and started wondering if this platform might work for Ardour as well? I do remember reading (I think on Ardour's forum, years ago) about some issues with different ways of supporting, but that being a long time since maybe things are different now. Thanks anyway for a great piece of software! Best regards, Alf [1] https://opencollective.com/ From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue May 4 07:01:50 2021 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 08:01:50 -0600 Subject: [Ardour-Users] Alternative income source? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Alf, thanks for the suggestion. I took a look at the fee structure at Open Collective, and in a footnote found this: (1) Payment processor fees apply. See stripe.com/pricing, paypal.com/pricing, transferwise.com/pricing It seems unlikely that there will be a way to have the dual-account setup that we have with PayPal, with one account (the most important one) using PayPal's micro-payment fee structure. I don't know if you've read our FAQ about why we use PayPal. If not, it's here: https://ardour.org/faq.html#paypal regards, ---p On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 5:12 AM Alf Haakon Pietruszka Lund < alf at mellomrommet.no> wrote: > I am a happy subscriber of Ardour, but I'm not that happy a user of PayPal. > > Recently I supported another piece of software I'm using (a great backup > software called Duplicati) through Open Collective [1] and started > wondering if this platform might work for Ardour as well? > > I do remember reading (I think on Ardour's forum, years ago) about some > issues with different ways of supporting, but that being a long time > since maybe things are different now. > > Thanks anyway for a great piece of software! > > Best regards, > Alf > > [1] https://opencollective.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Ardour-Users mailing list > ardour-users at lists.ardour.org > To unsubscribe or change your mailing preferences please visit: > http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thomas at zankapfel.org Tue May 4 07:40:28 2021 From: thomas at zankapfel.org (Thomas Mulot) Date: Tue, 04 May 2021 16:40:28 +0200 Subject: [Ardour-Users] Alternative income source? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5812985.U1jpS8H0iE@yoshi> Hi all, While you're at it: Have you taken a look at liberapay? They are a french nonprofit that seems made for free software projects. For me, they have the great advantage that they are able to simply charge a european bank account via direct debit - no need for a paypal account or a credit card. Among others, FalkTX, Librazik and LSP use it, if you want to ask them about their experiences. Thomas Am mardi 4 mai 2021, 16:01:50 CEST schrieb Paul Davis: > Hi Alf, > > thanks for the suggestion. I took a look at the fee structure at Open > Collective, and in a footnote found this: > > (1) Payment processor fees apply. See stripe.com/pricing, > paypal.com/pricing, transferwise.com/pricing > > It seems unlikely that there will be a way to have the dual-account setup > that we have with PayPal, with one account (the most important one) using > PayPal's micro-payment fee structure. > > I don't know if you've read our FAQ about why we use PayPal. If not, it's > here: https://ardour.org/faq.html#paypal > > regards, > ---p > > > > > > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 5:12 AM Alf Haakon Pietruszka Lund < > > alf at mellomrommet.no> wrote: > > I am a happy subscriber of Ardour, but I'm not that happy a user of > > PayPal. > > > > Recently I supported another piece of software I'm using (a great backup > > software called Duplicati) through Open Collective [1] and started > > wondering if this platform might work for Ardour as well? > > > > I do remember reading (I think on Ardour's forum, years ago) about some > > issues with different ways of supporting, but that being a long time > > since maybe things are different now. > > > > Thanks anyway for a great piece of software! > > > > Best regards, > > Alf > > > > [1] https://opencollective.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Ardour-Users mailing list > > ardour-users at lists.ardour.org > > To unsubscribe or change your mailing preferences please visit: > > http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue May 4 09:32:44 2021 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 10:32:44 -0600 Subject: [Ardour-Users] Alternative income source? In-Reply-To: <5812985.U1jpS8H0iE@yoshi> References: <5812985.U1jpS8H0iE@yoshi> Message-ID: On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 8:40 AM Thomas Mulot wrote: > Hi all, > > While you're at it: Have you taken a look at liberapay? They are a french > nonprofit that seems made for free software projects. For me, they have > the > great advantage that they are able to simply charge a european bank > account > via direct debit - no need for a paypal account or a credit card. > As has been mentioned when this comes up on the forums, this would require a significant formalization of financial structure, because as a US resident (and citizen) it is extremely complex for me to have a bank account in an EU country. Therefore using liberapay or any other similar system that uses the EU interbank transfer system would require designating someone else as the account holder. This is far from out of the question, but would represent a big change in how things work. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waynedpj at ingiro.xyz Tue May 4 09:54:19 2021 From: waynedpj at ingiro.xyz (Wayne DePrince Jr.) Date: Tue, 04 May 2021 12:54:19 -0400 Subject: [Ardour-Users] Alternative income source? In-Reply-To: References: <5812985.U1jpS8H0iE@yoshi> Message-ID: <7b00cf7fb3ea50cce6df249c4dd25e1601a637e2.camel@ingiro.xyz> On Tue, 2021-05-04 at 10:32 -0600, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 8:40 AM Thomas Mulot > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > While you're at it: Have you taken a look at liberapay? They are a > > french > > > > nonprofit that seems made for free software projects. For me, they > > have the > > > > great advantage that they are able to simply charge a european bank > > account > > > > via direct debit - no need for a paypal account or a credit card. > > As has been mentioned when this comes up on the forums, this would > require a significant formalization of financial structure, because > as a US resident (and citizen) it is extremely complex for me to have > a bank account in an EU country. Therefore using liberapay or any > other similar system that uses the EU interbank transfer system would > require designating someone else as the account holder. This is far > from out of the question, but would represent a big change in how > things work. while as a dual citizen i understand that getting an EU bank account as a US citizen can be difficult, these days there are some multi-currency account options like this one from Wise https://wise.com/us/multi-currency-account/ . one account gives US citizens an EU bank account with all the SWIFT/IBAN/BIC/etc. codes necessary to do business in EU, as well as in other jurisdictions https://wise.com/us/multi-currency-account/#coverage-bankdetails . an d the funds are easily transferable to a US bank account as an exchange, which also beats most other options. of course i know that for Ardour it is more difficult, so please take this as just an FYI from someone who has dealt with these cross border payment issues. another obvious option is cryptocurrency though that has its own complexities ;) peace, w -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at linuxaudiosystems.com Tue May 4 09:58:38 2021 From: paul at linuxaudiosystems.com (Paul Davis) Date: Tue, 4 May 2021 10:58:38 -0600 Subject: [Ardour-Users] Alternative income source? In-Reply-To: <7b00cf7fb3ea50cce6df249c4dd25e1601a637e2.camel@ingiro.xyz> References: <5812985.U1jpS8H0iE@yoshi> <7b00cf7fb3ea50cce6df249c4dd25e1601a637e2.camel@ingiro.xyz> Message-ID: On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:54 AM Wayne DePrince Jr. wrote: > > > while as a dual citizen i understand that getting an EU bank account as a > US citizen can be difficult, these days there are some multi-currency > account options like this one from Wise > The issues go way beyond *having* an account. You need full integration between the account and the website. The Wise stuff (I use Wise already, and have done for several years) is very nice, but there's no suitable API. Wise is actually great, but it just doesn't quite do everything that's needed. At least, it didn't the last time I looked. another obvious option is cryptocurrency though that has its own > complexities ;) > when i can buy groceries and web hosting with crypto, maybe i'll think about it :) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waynedpj at ingiro.xyz Tue May 4 11:05:07 2021 From: waynedpj at ingiro.xyz (Wayne DePrince Jr.) Date: Tue, 04 May 2021 14:05:07 -0400 Subject: [Ardour-Users] Alternative income source? In-Reply-To: References: <5812985.U1jpS8H0iE@yoshi> <7b00cf7fb3ea50cce6df249c4dd25e1601a637e2.camel@ingiro.xyz> Message-ID: <9e54bb560afcff0a17464286bb173179dc67b9ad.camel@ingiro.xyz> On Tue, 2021-05-04 at 10:58 -0600, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 10:54 AM Wayne DePrince Jr. < > waynedpj at ingiro.xyz> wrote: > > > > while as a dual citizen i understand that getting an EU bank > > account as a US citizen can be difficult, these days there are some > > multi-currency account options like this one from Wise > > The issues go way beyond *having* an account. You need full > integration between the account and the website. The Wise stuff (I > use Wise already, and have done for several years) is very nice, but > there's no suitable API. Wise is actually great, but it just doesn't > quite do everything that's needed. At least, it didn't the last time > I looked. yes, Wise is great but i was not thinking about integrating with the website, APIs, etc. sorry for the noise! > > another obvious option is cryptocurrency though that has its own > > complexities ;) > > when i can buy groceries and web hosting with crypto, maybe i'll > think about it :) i have heard that in NH, particularly around Keene, this is a somewhat of a reality but i have yet to see it myself. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nettings at stackingdwarves.net Wed May 5 05:49:21 2021 From: nettings at stackingdwarves.net (=?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=b6rn_Nettingsmeier?=) Date: Wed, 5 May 2021 14:49:21 +0200 Subject: [Ardour-Users] Alternative income source? In-Reply-To: <7b00cf7fb3ea50cce6df249c4dd25e1601a637e2.camel@ingiro.xyz> References: <5812985.U1jpS8H0iE@yoshi> <7b00cf7fb3ea50cce6df249c4dd25e1601a637e2.camel@ingiro.xyz> Message-ID: <9739758d-c9aa-5c57-c63b-ef6eee97b50c@stackingdwarves.net> On 5/4/21 6:54 PM, Wayne DePrince Jr. wrote: > another obvious option is cryptocurrency though that has its own > complexities ;) Like any true nerd, I'm fascinated by idea of cryptocurrencies in principle. But to be sourcing my groceries from community-supported agriculture in my city, only for the payments to then have the equivalent carbon footprint of asparagus imported from Peru by spaceship is odd, to say the least. Please don't make me switch to Pro Tools because it is greener than Ardour. Lately, AVID seem to be allowing their customers to recycle their converters between minor updates, so they are catching on to the idea :-D -- J?rn Nettingsmeier Tuinbouwstraat 180, 1097 ZB Amsterdam, Nederland Tel. +49 177 7937487 Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio), Tonmeister VDT http://stackingdwarves.net From waynedpj at ingiro.xyz Thu May 6 07:33:23 2021 From: waynedpj at ingiro.xyz (Wayne DePrince Jr.) Date: Thu, 06 May 2021 10:33:23 -0400 Subject: [Ardour-Users] Alternative income source? In-Reply-To: <9739758d-c9aa-5c57-c63b-ef6eee97b50c@stackingdwarves.net> References: <5812985.U1jpS8H0iE@yoshi> <7b00cf7fb3ea50cce6df249c4dd25e1601a637e2.camel@ingiro.xyz> <9739758d-c9aa-5c57-c63b-ef6eee97b50c@stackingdwarves.net> Message-ID: <4a253412bd99218bb076e455a053ad730f705d0f.camel@ingiro.xyz> On Wed, 2021-05-05 at 14:49 +0200, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 5/4/21 6:54 PM, Wayne DePrince Jr. wrote: > > another obvious option is cryptocurrency though that has its own > > complexities ;) > > Like any true nerd, I'm fascinated by idea of cryptocurrencies in > principle. > > But to be sourcing my groceries from community-supported agriculture > in > my city, only for the payments to then have the equivalent carbon > footprint of asparagus imported from Peru by spaceship is odd, to > say > the least. agree 100% and that is why i have not started using them. it seemed like this was and is still largely ignored with the mania surrounding crypto. however i did not want to get even more off-topic with that tangent when posting here. regardless i should have mentioned it so thanks for the reminder. fortunately there seems to be some recognition of this serious issue, with Ethereum's forthcoming ETH2 being one of the most well- known answers https://blog.aikon.com/2021/02/ethereum-2-0-proof-of-stake-what-is-the-real-impact-on-the-environment/ however there are also many cryptos that do not use PoW and all its energy consumption, including those based on distributed ledgers. Hedera https://hedera.com/ probably has the biggest backers, but there are others like https://obyte.org/ and https://holochain.org/ . of course being sustainable is all relative and i need to take a better look at these more "eco-friendly" efforts as well .. also when talking about most tech it is not so easy to call anything very eco-friendly ;) but again thanks for the note about the impact of the crypto boom: IMHO it should be included every time that it is mentioned .. even though i did not here ;) peace, w > > Please don't make me switch to Pro Tools because it is greener than > Ardour. Lately, AVID seem to be allowing their customers to recycle > their converters between minor updates, so they are catching on to > the > idea :-D > > > > > From alf at mellomrommet.no Fri May 7 00:53:21 2021 From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Pietruszka Lund) Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 09:53:21 +0200 Subject: [Ardour-Users] Alternative income source? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34d560a0-5425-c172-d2cb-374d50b4394a@mellomrommet.no> On 04.05.2021 16:01, Paul Davis wrote: > Hi Alf, > > thanks for the suggestion. I took a look at the fee structure at Open > Collective, and in a footnote found this: > > (1) Payment processor fees apply. See stripe.com/pricing, > paypal.com/pricing, transferwise.com/pricing > > It seems unlikely that there will be a way to have the dual-account setup > that we have with PayPal, with one account (the most important one) using > PayPal's micro-payment fee structure. > > I don't know if you've read our FAQ about why we use PayPal. If not, it's > here: https://ardour.org/faq.html#paypal > > regards, > ---p Thanks for answering, Paul! I see you've thoroughly investigated the subject, and that faq is probably exactly what I was half remembering as a 'forum discussion'. Since my happiness as an Ardour subscriber is greater by far than my discontent as a PayPal user, things will go on as before. Keep up the great work! From alf at mellomrommet.no Fri May 7 01:04:40 2021 From: alf at mellomrommet.no (Alf Haakon Pietruszka Lund) Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 10:04:40 +0200 Subject: [Ardour-Users] Alternative income source? In-Reply-To: <4a253412bd99218bb076e455a053ad730f705d0f.camel@ingiro.xyz> References: <5812985.U1jpS8H0iE@yoshi> <7b00cf7fb3ea50cce6df249c4dd25e1601a637e2.camel@ingiro.xyz> <9739758d-c9aa-5c57-c63b-ef6eee97b50c@stackingdwarves.net> <4a253412bd99218bb076e455a053ad730f705d0f.camel@ingiro.xyz> Message-ID: <9bd7b8b1-ce52-269f-4c37-d69ff6805677@mellomrommet.no> On 06.05.2021 16:33, Wayne DePrince Jr. wrote: > > On Wed, 2021-05-05 at 14:49 +0200, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote: >> On 5/4/21 6:54 PM, Wayne DePrince Jr. wrote: >>> another obvious option is cryptocurrency though that has its own >>> complexities ;) >> >> Like any true nerd, I'm fascinated by idea of cryptocurrencies in >> principle. >> >> But to be sourcing my groceries from community-supported agriculture >> in >> my city, only for the payments to then have the equivalent carbon >> footprint of asparagus imported from Peru by spaceship is odd, to >> say >> the least. (snip) > fortunately there seems to be some recognition of this serious > issue, with Ethereum's forthcoming ETH2 being one of the most well- > known answers > > https://blog.aikon.com/2021/02/ethereum-2-0-proof-of-stake-what-is-the-real-impact-on-the-environment/ (snip) Thanks for these pointers about cryptocurrency. As an off-topic end to an off-topic subject, I suggest we change our world in accordance with the guidelines found in Eric Frank Russel's 'And then there were none'. It's read in about half an hour and well worth the time, describing what to me looks like a sustainable path! All the best, Alf https://www.abelard.org/e-f-russell.php