[ardour-dev] Pre-1.0 crashes -vvv

R Parker rtp405 at yahoo.com
Thu Aug 12 01:59:48 PDT 2004

Hi Wolfgang,

I have to join in and share your appreciation for
Linux audio. I believe it was in 2000 when I returned
to the U.S. and almost immediately discovered Ardour.
I have experienced an appreciable amount of
frustration but much more than anything I've felt
excited and grateful. Anything I know about digital
audio is an education that began within the Ardour

Wolfgang, on a personal note, thanks for noticing. To
mention me in the same breath as Paul, Taybin and
Jesse makes me feel good. Maybe it's a typo? :) I
always feel my role is to toil in obscurity while
spending many hours testing and thinking about Ardour.
You see, I don't write any of the code but I complain
alot about the code that doesn't work. :)

During the last week, I've recieved several letters
about work done with JACKD, Ardour and JAMin. I have
to add one of them in with Wolfgang's. It's a
meaningful letter because the person who wrote it
would not say anything they don't truly mean.

"Just heard the new CD.  This is a phenomenal piece of
work.  The recording is very crisp and bright.  Top of
the heap.  First rate!  No kidding, this sounds much
better than the majority of my CDs.  It's like my
stereo was designed to play it."

Two significant reasons this CD receives rave reviews
from everyone that hears it are Ardour and JAMin.


--- Wolfgang Woehl <tito at rumford.de> wrote:

> Dear Paul, Taybin, Jesse, Ron and all,
> Must have been in 1995 that I met a guy who told me
> about linux. At the 
> time I used a macintosh and PlayerPro to fiddle with
> sound. I asked the 
> good man if you could make music with linux. He said
> "Ja klar" which 
> means "sure you can" in german. Only now I realize
> how wrong and how 
> spirited he was at the same time. Obviously the
> vision has become 
> reality for some time now because of guys like you
> and Fons and Steve 
> and Jack and Jan and many more. It's not just an
> application you share 
> with us but inspiration and art as well. Saying
> "Thank you" is probably 
> a bit like saying thanks to air for being there.
> Still I want to thank 
> you for the lessons.
> Just took a pc to an improvised studio, recorded
> with my band for two 
> days, had maybe 4 different crash scenarios during
> all of the extensive 
> sessions, jack-routing/ardour/hdspmixer gave us
> amazingly -- at least 
> to me -- flexible headphone mixes, put 10 tracks to
> disk at the same 
> time and lost none ever, ardour's navigation
> shortcuts/tools came in 
> major handy ... it basically worked like a breeze
> being there and 
> almost never in the way.
> The rare crashes during the recording weekend were
> (Ardour/GTK 0.529.2 libardour 0.827.3)
> * Sometimes: exports of ranges. Tried it
> with/without rate conversion
> * Sometimes: Set a loop, loop it, crash at the end
> of the loop. Most of 
> the time looping is totally stable.
> * jack crashes (root cron jobs swapping out
> jackstart children? Can that 
> happen?)
> And yes, the "Sometimes" was irritating. Have no
> time to delve in right 
> now, I hope you can bring these together with other
> reports. Other 
> issues were
> * Freezing a region like toms.n in a track with
> toms.[1-] produces 1 new 
> non-draggable region called toms.x where x is
> incrementing from gaps 
> within [1-]. In practice this means you loose all
> splits plus you 
> freeze regions you might not need (but do not want
> to destroy) like 
> surrounding takes. Problem being that freezing is
> disk-intense and 
> takes a while when you think of hour-length tracks.
> * Freezing during playback results in frozen audio
> (great) + hiccups 
> (not great). I think it should either work or not be
> allowed during 
> playback. Is this for jackit-devel?
> * Couldn't split ~some~ regions. They seemed to be
> perfectly healthy 
> regions though.
> * Recording two tracks with ardour:mama as source,
> one with "Align 
> captured material with Existing material", one with
> "... Capture time" 
> set makes both tracks 256 frames early (-p 1024 -n
> 2) compared to mama. 
> Shouldn't there be a difference?
> * You can drag-exceed the limit of 10 secs for
> fade-ins/outs. The GUI 
> should reflect the limit and prevent you from doing
> so. (btw no more 
> fade-handle related crashes)
> None of these were major problems, there was always
> more than one way to 
> do it. All in all I enjoyed showing-off linux audio
> to my band and none 
> of that involved the vst support that starts to make
> headlines now. 
> Running out of verbosity now, congratulations as you
> are closing in on 
> 1.0 and thanks again.
> Wolfgang
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